Villa Park

7 minutes ago, Anthndav said:

 

I take umbrage with your last sentence for a variety of reasons.

 

1) We have no idea about the persons behind the risk assessment by WMP. Which has been supported at National level by other policing authorities.

 

2) Without that knowledge it is highly suspect to believe that anyone has acted inappropriately or beyond their pay grade.

 

3) Without a full profile of the people behind the decision making it is impossible to suggest that there is ANY prejudice in the initial decision.

 

The subsequent fawning however, does make me wary, and not just of one side of the argument by the way. Both Mr Khan at regional level and Kier Starmer have batted for both sides of a ridiculous situation.

 

Shame on both of them.

These are fair points but im not saying anyone did anything wrong or prejudiced. The point I have been trying to make is that I believe people are hiding behind the true reason for the ban. It is the bahaviour of elements of our society that is the main concern. 

Thats what makes it hideous to many. We need to look in the mirror and ask ourselves where society took a turn. 

1 hour ago, Spondon Owl said:

They weren't banned in advance of the event per se. As you know. There is nothing akin to MTA ban. 

 

Rangers and Celtic was a mutual club decision. 

 

There is no precedence. Which leads on to the conclusion that the decision was largely due to concerns that targeted violence would erupt from elements of british society specifically because fans of MTA are Isreali and are perceived to bear some responsibility for the actions of the Isreali state. 

 

Anyone suggesting that this wasn't a, if not THE, deciding factor in the decision is being willfully ignorant. 

So you agree that this "unprecedented" decision actually has lots of precedents 

And to frame this as the violent racist thugs have been banned for their own safety is just despicable nonsense

Stop soiling yourself like this

It's so undignified 

The overwhelming majority of those who would have traveled have participated actively in a genocide, or in the establishment of illegal settlements in the West Bank. The legal precedent has been set that "just following orders" is not a defence. Considering it will be mostly young men, coming from a country with active conscription, and the identity that the club and fanbase builds around itself, it is almost certain that within that traveling support would be people who in recent months have been carrying out a genocide. Again, this is based in international legal decisions and definitions; it is a genocide.

They're not scared for their safety, they want there to be trouble, but I'd be happy living somewhere that people like that are scared for their safety. Let's not forget who political leaders are climbing over each other to defend here.

1 hour ago, Owl.1867 said:

The overwhelming majority of those who would have traveled have participated actively in a genocide, or in the establishment of illegal settlements in the West Bank. The legal precedent has been set that "just following orders" is not a defence. Considering it will be mostly young men, coming from a country with active conscription, and the identity that the club and fanbase builds around itself, it is almost certain that within that traveling support would be people who in recent months have been carrying out a genocide. Again, this is based in international legal decisions and definitions; it is a genocide.

 

They're not scared for their safety, they want there to be trouble, but I'd be happy living somewhere that people like that are scared for their safety. Let's not forget who political leaders are climbing over each other to defend here.

140 nations have not legally defined what is occurring as genocide. In Europe only Bosnia, Ireland, Slovenia and Spain. Im not saying it is or isn't, im just saying the majority of nations have not said it is.

46 minutes ago, Spondon Owl said:

140 nations have not legally defined what is occurring as genocide. In Europe only Bosnia, Ireland, Slovenia and Spain. Im not saying it is or isn't, im just saying the majority of nations have not said it is.

The scholarly consensus is strongly, firmly on the side that this is genocide. Denying it is now akin to being a "scientist" who claims that there is no such thing as man made global warming.

One day, everyone will have been against this. Unfortunately for the deniers, everything is recorded now. Every pathetic attempt to stand up for the perpetrators, every bit of genocide denial, is recorded for all to see in future.

None of this 12 pages of drivel matters now as MTA have turned down tickets anyway

7 minutes ago, Owl.1867 said:

 

The scholarly consensus is strongly, firmly on the side that this is genocide. Denying it is now akin to being a "scientist" who claims that there is no such thing as man made global warming.

 

One day, everyone will have been against this. Unfortunately for the deniers, everything is recorded now. Every pathetic attempt to stand up for the perpetrators, every bit of genocide denial, is recorded for all to see in future.

Im not knowledgeable enough to disregard the views of those better informed. Its just a statement of fact that it isn't a universal position.

3 minutes ago, Fairy Tail Owl said:

None of this 12 pages of drivel matters now as MTA have turned down tickets anyway

Because they're trying to go with the narrative that the spineless twit in Number 10 has given them. They weren't going to be getting any tickets, but the propaganda drive is in full force now.

52 minutes ago, Fairy Tail Owl said:

None of this 12 pages of drivel matters now as MTA have turned down tickets anyway

48 minutes ago, Owl.1867 said:

 

Because they're trying to go with the narrative that the spineless twit in Number 10 has given them. They weren't going to be getting any tickets, but the propaganda drive is in full force now.

The MTA are also pushing a narrative of "poor fans" knowing full well that the Tel Avive  Derby has been cancelled for safety concerns.

Can't make this shitte up. We are living in a post truth society and I can't stand it.

I'm in town right now about 1.5 miles from Villa park.

There's been a S60 notice about protesters and counter-protestors. My employer has warned staff to be extra vigilant and careful and to leave early.

I'm meeting friends in Digbeth later so need to cross the city. Going to be interesting at 5pm! 

Just seen a video on YouTube. Its absolute carnage.

Just now, Justbeanz said:

Just seen a video on YouTube. Its absolute carnage.

Apologies.  Looks like the video was filmed last night.

"Significant Hoolinganism" within MTA fanbase is reason for ban - West Midlands Police

Flies in the face of what many were trying to tell us in here. I guess Sky News and WMP must be part of the "leftist agenda" or whatever you call it now.

Beggars belief.

1 hour ago, Owl.1867 said:

"Significant Hoolinganism" within MTA fanbase is reason for ban - West Midlands Police

 

Flies in the face of what many were trying to tell us in here. I guess Sky News and WMP must be part of the "leftist agenda" or whatever you call it now.

 

Beggars belief.

Why did a game with no away fans need 700 police drafted in? That beggars belief