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I think it's a complicated grey area and it's one I go back and forth on a lot, but as time goes on for me it's starting to become simpler; The away support is doing more than the home support to further the cause. Personally, I think the (negligible) income from the away tickets is worth it for the vocal presence the away fans bring. The protest action away from home is consistent. It's highly visible, it has done the most to bring attention to the cause, it has unified with other fanbases and it is easily the most vocal. Home fans wondering why they get a pass? Why not step up a bit? Sorry, but the protest presence at home has been a joke. Maximum credit to the lads who went on the pitch against Coventry. More could have but couldn't be bothered. People only bothering to shout anything at 10 minutes when told to by the Trust then sitting back down again. The away fans might be putting money DC's pocket - not even remotely enough for him to "cling on" - but the price of that is substantial exposure to the DC issue. That's simply not happening at home. It could be with the numbers still walking through the turnstiles, but for whatever reason isn't. It's just starting to sound like "well I've paid my money, can't do anything else and all these keyboard warriors are telling me I can't even buy a beer" moaning. By the way, the "well if away fans are going then I can buy a pie and a pint at Hillsborough" is a childrens argument. That's a position for children. And it's absolutely embarrassing for everyone saying it. Take some accountability and grow the f*ck up.

Is Sam Fender from Newcastle? Wow, the more you know. He’s never mentioned it.

People are making sacrifices left right and centre. Think of how much time and energy the Trust members are putting into this. That's on top of their day jobs and their lives, and they're doing it for free. Think how much time and energy the 1867 Group put into their protests, sticking their neck out at a time when protest in general was a lot less widespread than it is right now, and the abuse they took at the time for doing it. Think about the way the staff feel, who must be at the absolute end of their tether essentially working for free and going without their wages - yet again. What must they feel having to resort to union representation and personal loans just to make ends meet and give themselves a fighting chance to keep doing their job. It's different but still similar for the players, who just keep going and putting their best foot forward for the club, the staff and the fans despite knowing the situation they're in - short handed, underprepared and unpaid. And what about the fans who are already protesting and boycotting. We'd all rather be at the game. We'd all rather be watching our football. We'd all rather be supporting the club with our money. We'd all rather be cheering on the team. Nobody wants any of this. Speaking as someone who struggles with their mental health, with more than one diagnosed mental health condition, I think "I won't protest or boycott because of my mental health" absolutely stinks. It's a selfish copout.

I think things like this are sometimes about taking a step back and reading between the lines. He could have come out and said "Dejphon Chansiri, times up, we're coming for you", which would have made us all feel better, but realistically isn't something he can come out and say from a legal or policy perspective. If the IFR are gunning directly for DC, they have to be a bit cleverer and more tactful about it than that. I expect that DC trying to paint a picture of the hard done to businessman and that it's all a witch hunt will be a big part of any legal defence he lodges (after all, he's only trying his best isn't he) so the IFR have to be careful about what's said around that.

All that matters is being literally anywhere else other than inside that ground.

I love that those original fliers have become one of the key faces of the whole campaign. Credit to @BrinnyOwl1867 and the group for an effective campaign. The way they were treated by some was utterly disgusting and pig ignorant at the time, and somehow looks even worse in hindsight. There will be people maybe even with a black and gold avatar on here or a scarf around their neck today who should be utterly embarrassed by it. If the IFR spend even 5 minutes reading those fliers and listening to the Trust about everything they’ve done since, they’ll get the full picture they need about the prospect of “working with” Chansiri.

8 selfish d*ckheads.

Things are going to get ugly on the pitch over the winter. The club haven’t prepared any of these lads properly for a full season of football. There’s a reason every other club in the world has 6-7 weeks of intense pre-season training with a programme of friendly matches to make sure they’re ready, and we gave this group none of that. Staking an entire season and the clubs entire future on just winging it, and no surprise tha by October it already looks like unravelling.

Just like to say, to whoever is working at SWFC but acting on Chansiri’s behalf/supporting him (and let’s face it, you’ll definitely be on here reading this); Go f*ck yourself. You can rot in hell with the Chairman.

He hasn’t ran us to any sort of sustainable standard in the entire time he’s been here.

I think if I were to read a full list of quotes from him that take this sort of tone at the minute, my head would literally explode off my shoulders. As angry as we all are, I think we’ve collectively forgot a lot of the full picture of just how mad this has all been, and the disrespectful sh*te he’s shovelled our way for years.

Good for them, but it’s no longer a shield against criticism. We’re far enough into this now. “I just want to watch the football” is pathetic and spineless. Not to mention the absolute height of selfishness. People who just want their afternoon of “entertainment”. Are the players being paid properly for it? What about the staff opening the ground or serving yer pints? Who cares, doesn’t matter. I understand your point about the impact if most boycott and it doesn’t need “all”, but the “running of the club” will take it away from them, as well as everybody else. This level of sheer ignorance needs challenging and calling out, not handwaving away as people just choosing to be disengaged.

Dyche would be another disaster waiting to happen. You can say what you want about the quality of the SPL or the sides up there but the pressure and expectation at Rangers and Celtic is possibly without rival in English football. I mean someone like Arteta can have 6 years of "building" towards winning the league and still not manage it, and be relatively safe in that job. Dyche is a good manager with a good record, but his working expectations have pretty much topped out at "massively overachieve just by staying in the league". It's just not the same. I know there's a lot of water under the bridge around Ange but Rangers need to target their version of him. Easy to forget that when Ange arrived, Celtic had just lost the title to an unbeaten Rangers and were regarded as being in transition, and I think Celtic fans were just as wary of "he's not managed anywhere of note" as Spurs fans were about his time in Scotland. But he arrived there a winner, albeit at similarly smaller leagues, and left having built on that. Rangers need someone who knows how to win. Even if that's a "lesser" standard than appointing just another guy from the EFL.

I'd be curious to know what the legal defence looks like for a man who is completely failing to fulfil the basic obligations of his ownership of a business, including routinely missing payments to the state/tax payer.

Forest got their first win after 7 (I think) then picked up steam from there. They also had Cooper, Brennan Johnson (a £50m talent a year later) and a lot of Premier League talent on loan. And needed the play-offs to go up (so not a factor for United)

Had his business motivations and it was never philanthropy, but he undoubtedly had a genuine love for the game and I think his connections to all of his clubs were genuine. He saved us and I think his recent appearance in trying to reach out to Chansiri shows we must have repaid him with plenty of fond memories too. A proper, legitimate business mind with a genuine love of the game who knew how to provide a stabilising, progressive influence and move on. How we desperately need another of him now. RIP Milan

Said this the other day, but I think getting a result at Oxford and immediately carrying on losing makes things really interesting. I don’t think this is just a bad start. It’s clearly not as simple as Wilder going in there and getting some buy in to his bullsh*t so they get back to winning every week. There’s something wrong there. Type of thing that can snowball if you’re stacking losses in the league and sleepwalk through it being “a bad start” into something more, much like Luton and countless others over the years.

A reminder that the players are playing for free today having missed their 5th set of wages in 7 months. The start of the season has had some positive moments and results, but today is a lot closer to how this season is going to go as a whole. Not even competitive today, rolling into the most brutal winter months of the schedule as wages keep being missed, injury and suspensions mount up etc..

I don’t think it’s about convincing anymore. This far in, say watching a bunch of players who still haven’t been paid again, wondering why another set of away fans are applauding us.. it’s not about “convincing”. They’re just thick as f*ck. Not Wednesday as far as I’m concerned.

Watching this from your armchair is one of the protest actions many are currently taking. F*cking galaxy brain over here

Top effort every single one of you. It doesn’t come without consequence. It’s an impossible thing for others to expect, ask or demand. That’s people who have either risked their season ticket or had to wrestle with the dilemma of paying on the gate to go and do that. Not a bad word to be said about any of them.

All the jobsworth’s have arrived anyway so looks like all the pearl clutchers will get to see their football match today without disruption.

What a load of absolute cack this is. a.) We had it rough for a bit but here's all the ways you're wrong and we did everything better b.) Jilted lover bit at the end about not being asked to co-operate. Who is this about again? c.) I'll tell you we understand your issues but don't you dare ruin our day out!!! Sanctimonious crap.

I agree. Obviously it's better for there to be mass demonstrations. My issue is that some are using "well you're not going to get 1,000 people on the pitch" or whatever as an excuse to talk down more action. To build strawman arguments against it, to try and dissuade momentum behind it. My personal view, just being honest about it, is that there are a frightening amount of our fans right now who may well say "Chansiri Out", change their profile picture to yellow and gold etc, but don't actually give as much of a sh*t about all this, or are quite as invested in seeing the back of this owner, as they think they are. Too many who talk a decent game but aren't really getting it. And I think you see it every single time a new protest idea gets brought up. My point on individuals going on the pitch is that it still has impact. It carries massive consequences for them, it's something that's hard to openly encourage, organise or tell others to do - but it does have impact. My counter to "nothing will happen with this because we won't have the numbers" is that it only takes a handful of people to take those risks to still have massive impact.

If 1 goes on, they get removed, then play resumes. Another goes on 5 minutes later, disrupts play, removed and play resumes. 5 minutes after that, another.. Would soon see it abandoned. It doesn't need to have 1,000 people all going on at once. If the point is to be disruptive and send a message, anywhere between 2-5 people doing it individually is just as effective. Lots of pearl clutching in this thread about the implications. Individually, sure, it's a hard thing to instruct or ask people to do because it does carry consequences.. but historically people have taken that risk for protest reasons before, or just for the fun of it. If you're concerned about the implications on the club or what the league will do then sorry but it's time to wake the f*ck up. This is a fight. Nothing the EFL can do in terms of punishments is more damaging to the club than what this parasite is already doing, and will continue to do if we stand and watch him.