Nedman

We have a reasonably large stadium operating at about 70% capacity. Our average attendances are around 25k, nothing special. Our last honour was 35 years ago, before that we've gotta go back to the 50's! Add all the other relevant metrics and we're light years behind actual big clubs. We're a medium sized club at best. It's not a bad thing, we're just nowhere near our 90's best when we could definitely have argued it.

Christ, another one hanging on to a minor cup win 35 years ago. An entire generation of football fans don't even know we've ever played in the premier league. And they don't care. They only know of us as a championship/league one yoyo team.

The size of Wednesday is up for discussion. Forest Green, Dagenham and Yeovil would also describe themselves as small, it's not condescending at all

Sums up the arrogance of our fanbase. We're a lower championship/upper league one team and that's the reality that the majority of our fanbase refuse to grasp. The club's mentioned are brilliant little clubs (except mk dons, obviously..) and it's really disrespectful to think they somehow aren't worthy to play us.

If he's pissed at people leaving early, would hate to see how he'd act towards the 10k that couldn't be bothered to turn up. Seriously though, if "fans" are going to start fighting amongst themselves every time we're losing this season, we're simply going to accumulate a ridiculous amount of fines and more bans, diverting important funds to frankly embarrassing things. If we're only getting 20-23k through the door we can't afford to lose fans to bans! We seem to have gotten away with throwing stuff at the united players (this season and last) so hopefully the fans involved yesterday will be punished and not the club, again.

Wet have a reasonable championship starting 11. It should be performing a lot better than it is. We have an awful manager who is way out of his depth. We obviously have no way of replacing him in the short term so we're just going to have to put up with this crap, but this team should not be facing a frankly embarrassing points total. We're better than this.

Not when the administrator has budgeted for 30k with cheap tickets. And not when we're trying to have a pop at them lot for a poor midweek attendance.

We should probably stop the attendance talk once and for all. 23k is more than we got today.

What financial issues?

@thebizzle isn't gonna shag you mate

No there wasn't, there was just some kid with the name Walton. ”i don't think they'll buy the club" no poo Sherlock. ”my money will be on another American consortium" What's you next prediction going to be? Our new owner has a head and at least one leg.

While you may be correct, the context here is that all the hard work, the charitable donations etc are essentially being allocated to pay an absolutely needless fine. We've had a lot of sympathy from the football world and incidents like this certainly don't help things. The "other team's fans do it too” perspective is completely irrelevant and frankly pathetic given our situation.

It's a rivalry, and they've done it to get reactions from us. We know no matter the situation wilder will rub our noses in it especially at Hillsborough. He'll be feeling extremely smug about all of this

I've done neither but carry on

The Wembley architects wanted to incorporate the twin towers in to the new Wembley but the costs were prohibitive, and that was a £billion project. The numbers guys will work out the best option but I can't see how we leave Hillsborough, unless we follow the plans from some of our fans which always involve displacing hundreds of families and businesses

It's not "completely irrelevant". From a football legislation standpoint it's probably fine, but from a "should we invest hundreds of millions in to London-based Arsenal, who are battling for the premier league title, the European Cup, with a World class squad, modern stadium and training facilities etc or invest hundreds of millions in to every aspect of Sheffield Wednesday in the hope they might bother the top 6 in the championship" standpoint, which one makes more financial sense?

Why?

Give it a rest, your last piece of evidence was based on someone with the surname Walton sitting in the posh seats. Before that it was a tenuous link between us and a company that had worked with the Waltons, or something like that. Plus the fact that Stan Kroenke owns Arsenal makes it very unlikely that the Waltons are out to buy another UK club, particularly one that needs huge investment from the get go. We'll end up with Methven or Shaw.

It's not negativity, I've just never understood our fans literal obsession with being a big club and having big attendances, neither of which are true. Our fans lie about attendances.. Why? What's the point? No other fanbase is like this. We have a big, classic, historical stadium. A bit of money and we can go back to 39k seats, but even during the good times we only fill 70% of it. Isn't it nearly 60 years since we averaged 30k for a season? We clearly have a strong hardcore element of 20k fans which is amazing, but we need to stop kidding ourselves that we're gonna start selling out any time soon. The Norwich and Oxford games are further proof of this. And as for those mentioning us in the same breathe as Everton, Aston Villa, West Ham etc.. Grow up. The early 90s was 30 years ago. Southampton, Leicester, Norwich, Middlesbrough, Sunderland, Brighton, Wolves, Forest, are all bigger than us now.

Except by the 98/99 season we were still only averaging 26k, Everton averaged 36k! Even Derby averaged 29k. So we plateaued. There's nothing to suggest Hillsborough isn't big enough for us. It always has been always will be (unless more of it gets condemned of course)

So an extra £10k (or 2 days of Mr Bannan) with no guarantees of any additional income from these fans. It would've made more sense if our fans actually turned up but would've made even more sense to charge normal prices while riding the crest of the good-times wave

Another point to make is that he's either buying us or a superyacht. The superyacht is still for sale and there's been no progress there.. How the other half live

Looks like my follow up post was nuked. A lot has happened since then but at the time the frontrunner (American, not a known name, super rich but not ultra wealthy) was very keen to take us over but as mentioned didn't want any financial or legal responsibility for Hillsborough, but his offer would provide additional funds via rent in order to expedite necessary repairs (and make his offer more attractive). In the nuked post I mentioned the sanctions check I had previously done a few months ago (prior to any indication of any interest in us) had a few uncomfortable crypto dealings. I assume he's someone that has put forward proof of funds but no idea as it stands.

I'm a blunt because I'm questioning the validity of bringing in less money when we're on the verge of liquidation and the one thing we need is money?

I clearly meant £20