Lime Tree Heros

I suspect (but have no way of knowing) that both the club and EFL are seeking to downplay the pitch invasion as much as possible. Hence, no press release or statements. If the club or EFL were to release a statement the fans would know they'd provoked a reaction, which could effectively encourage them to invade again to get a further reaction. Which could end up with the EFL ending up further punishing the club or worse fans. I guess they're both hoping that the 50 / 60 that invaded can be brushed under the carpet.

I'm not as despondent as many on here are sounding. The EFL are not there to support football fans, they're there to organise, run and rule over EFL competitions. All their rules and regulations are voted for by their member clubs. Despite the above the EFL are regularly meeting with and engaging with Wednesday's fan groups, whilst the meeting minutes might not sound encouraging, this stood out to me: It's effectively warning the Trust to be ready for the club to enter Administration - which would signal the end of DC. The EFL stressing this, surely indicates, that they believe it to be a likely outcome. Personally, I've always thought that the disciplinary panel that would give us the points deductions has been pushed down the road to encourage DC to sell. As I believe any new owner will get a more lenient punishment than DC will get. The overriding thing is that DC is putting no funds in and the club is not self financing, but above all, this is out in the open and the EFL know. Given that, there is no way the EFL will allow DC to run us in the League next season as he has this (I suspect they regret not being tougher last Summer and allowing us to start this season). If DC makes the end of this season, I suspect the EFL will offer him 3 choices: A. Put £20m into this escrow account by 30th June, to prove you can fund next season or B. Sell the club or C. We'll withdraw our 'golden share'.

Mine, via the WTID pod online sale arrived today.

Local family, their own non football supporting family, friends - lots of ways. As a regular but infrequent attendee at Hillsborough I don't have the TPP to get many away tix. So over the years I've got access to around a dozen IDs of other league clubs, through friends or family. Going in the 'home' end is sometimes the only way I get to watch Wednesday.

Living over 200 miles away I only usually get to ~5 home games and ~5 away games a season. This season I've not been to a home game, but managed to get to Leicester away (home end), I'm going to Charlton (again home end) but the realitity is I'll probably not be able to see Wednesday again this season if I follow the Trust's lead. To replace going to Hillsborough, I've started to go to more non-league football. Yes it's a completely different experience and the football's not as good, but it's still an enjoyable day out and the more I go the more I meet people I know, plus I can watch football with a pint in hand. IMO more people should try it.

With Middlesborough having sold out their allocation, I'd expect 'home' ticket sales to increase. This will in part be by 'Boro fans buying tix in the home end to attend the match. So, if 'home' tix sales do increase, please don't assume it's Wednesdayites breaking the boycott.

Thank you for acknowledging that it's a debate that needs to be had - I hope you can have it quickly and seek a path to unify the fanbase. Because the current approach is fostering a 'two tier' boycott, leading to fan division. Currently STH with high TPP can go to both home and away league matches all whilst following the Trust's lead. Whilst POTGers with low TPP can't go to home matches, can only get a chance of going to a few away matches - in reality most won't be going to any game this season, if they follow the Trust's lead. This creates huge inequity in attitude to, and treatment of the fanbase. This isn't really about monies given to the club, or the PR value of awayday protest, it's about equity across the fanbase; are all fans valued equally or aren't they? I'm not 'anti Trust' (I can only speak for myself), I've followed their lead and not been to Hillsborough and only saw Leicester from the 'home' end, I'll get to Charlton (again in the 'home' end) but the realitity for me is that if I follow the Trust's lead I probably won't get to see Wednesday again this season after Charlton. I'd like the Trust to recognise and acknowledge this disparity, I believe the Trust's attitude to away tix is a 'miss step' and I'd like them to acknowledge this by tightening the boycott further and advise against buying any away tix. By not addressing this inequity the Trust risk the home boycott failing, there'll only be so long before a POTGer who doesn't go to matches, after seeing STH and high TPP going home and away thinks, fizz this I'm going to start going to a few matches. Ironically my Trust scarf popped through the letterbox this morning, the Trust's approach to addressing the division in the fanbase will determine what I do with it...

And nobody's mentioned the one youngster (stretching it a bit) we had who went on to be a world beater. Emi Martinez

I'm not suprised, every season a few away games do, they all tend to be larger away allocations furthest from Hillsborough, particularly those midweek. I'd expect a couple of others to make general sale, maybe Ipswich? But please don't let these exceptions to the rule nullify the point - the vast majority of away tix are sold to those with a high TPP count (understandably), but equally understandably this excludes POTGers with a low TPP count.

I agree with most of what you're saying, which is why I've become disappointed and frustrated with the Trust. Initially their approach, stance and objective was simple - stop giving the club cash so DC has to pay more out of his own pocket. Simple to understand and lots got behind it. However, over the last few weeks fans have started to realise that buying away tix gives the club cash, yet the Trust are not addressing the issue and by not doing so, are, in the eyes of many saying it's OK to give the club money for away tix. The Trusts failure to understand and address this 'double standard' is what is frustrating and disappointing. My personal view is that this fan division is driven deeper because in order to buy regular away tix you have to have lots of TPP, so ST holders get to go home (DC's already spent their money so that's ok) and away (nobody's asking us to boycott) whereas your POTGer can't go to home matches (as that entails giving the club cash) and can't go away (as they don't have enough TPP). This has all created an atmosphere of entitled 'truefans' who get to go home & away, whilst POTGers can't go. By not acknowledging and addressing this issue I can't agree that the Trust are doing a good job, every day they stay silent the division festers and grows. Maybe the Trust need more POTGers on board, because at the moment the Trust's effective attitude to them is incredibly dismissive and devisive. Sorry for the long rant, but to me the Trust's approach is becoming more and more an 'I'm all right Jack'. All in this together - no we're clearly not.

It's because the Trust's stance has created double standards. On the one hand they're saying 'not a penny more', no potg tickets, no pie and Bovril. One the other, they're fine with folk buying away tix and giving the club cash. Which is it? Give the club cash or don't? Or is it really only give the club cash we're OK with? The problem is that this approach has created fan division - which needs to end. The simplest way of unifying the fanbase is for 'not a penny more' to mean it - no potg, no pie and Bovril, no league cup tix, no merchandise, no season tix renewals, no fa cup tix and no away tix.

Why don't you try again? But this time try to be more condescending to fellow Wednesdayites. Without questioning your level of intellect ( unlike yourself). It's not about the amount of money away tix v Bovril generates for the club, it's not about the good press that protest generates, it is purely and simply about stopping fan division. One one hand you have away fans applauded for going and protesting; on the other you have POTG's lambasted for going. This 'double standard' creates division in the fanbase - it's plain to see and needs to stop. Your post reeks of self entitled, condescending, arrogance.

I was originally 'on the fence' with the suggestions of boycotting away tix, afterall it contributes very little (in the grand scheme of things) into the club; whilst the protests gain media attention. However... In the last few weeks the optics of this have shifted. If an occaisional owl buys a home ticket and attends, they're lambasted, if anybody buys a pie and a bovril at Hillsborough, they're lambasted. Yet those going away are applauded for their 'amazing support'. To me this apparent 'double standards' approach has now become divisive, muddies the Trust's messaging and is setting fan against fan. If the Trust truly want to unify the fanbase and stand by not a penny more then they really ought change their stance and promote a permanent awayday boycott too. It'll be a difficult meeting for the Trust and no doubt pi$$ a few off, but it's time for the Trust to show leadership and end this division in the fanbase.

As a fan living 200 miles away I was only ever able to get to 2 or 3 home games a season, which meant I never had enough TPP for away tickets either. But.... By utilising Mrs LTH's name and credit card, she is now on the ticketing database of numerous Southern based clubs, so I've no problem getting tix in the 'home' ends to follow the lads. Yes it's a different form of an awayday - but I still get to go to the game and follow the lads, but best of all DC doesn’t get a penny of my money.

Starting to get very tired of the hate being dished out fan on fan - is it some kind of uberfan d I c k waggling competition? If you're 'boycotting' instead of ranting at others buying a pint, why don't you double down yourself by boycotting more? i.e. don't go to home matches. And if you want to go away, buy in the home end.

Dronfield flag just been referred to on 5live - Mark Chapman had to be told it was near Sheffield - then understood why there was an owl on it.

Personally, I see this as 'good' news. Every missed payment DC makes, merely serves to demonstrate further how inept and broken his ownership of Wednesday is. Given the events of the last 3 months I suspect that the EFL are deeply regretting allowing us to start the season. I don't expect them to make a similar mistake next season. I think the EFL will be very clear to DC next summer, put £15m into this UK escrow account and Wednesday can start the season, fail to do that and they can't - and I'd expect the EFL to be making their future position very clear to DC now, so he's in no doubt that without funds next summer the club will be worthless. That's if he can stumble on for the remainder of the season.

This time last season I was watching a Tuesday night non-league match at a Step 4 club and got talking to a fellow spectator. He was a scout for Coventry, his job was to watch and report on every teenager playing first team men's football at Steps 1 to 4. Apparently Coventry employ 2 of them to cover the country, one in the North and one in the South. He was watching his third match of the day, having watched 2 Academy matches earlier. I've since seen him at a few Step 3 matches. Professional clubs do recruit teenagers quite heavily from non-league men's first teams - my own club has 'lost' a player that way in each of the last 3 close seasons.

But the fouls have still been committed in a match and deserve punishment. But it does seem odd that goals scored get scrubbed but cards don't - personally I'd allow the goals to count too (as well as the cards) so Blackburn would have a GD 1 better and Ipswich 1 worse. I watch a lot of non-league where there are far more abandonments than in the EFL. It seems to me that games are always replayed in full over 90 mins, unless both sides agree to letting the result stand (as happened earlier this season at Welling v Aveley when the floodlights failed in stoppage time).

So sad to see.

Yes to Alex Fletcher and it effectively ended his career. There should be serious questions asked of the FA ground graders and the club - a section of the same perimeter wall collapsed earlier this season after a couple of Dulwich Hamlet fans leant against it.

Whilst things are bad at SWFC at the moment at least we're not dealing with this: I watch a lot of non-league football and whilst I wasn't at this match it is the same league that I usually attend (Isthmian Premier - Tier 7 of the pyramid) and I have been to the ground. On Saturday the Wingate & Finchley v Chicester match was abandoned after a Chichester player collided with the surrounding (breeze block) wall. He suffered a significant brain injury and is now in an induced coma in hospital. Thoughts and prayers to him, his friends, family, team mates and all those present.

I'm now at a solid 3/10 1 - for the win at Pompey 1 - for the young academy lads in the first team 1 - for the impending 30th September

Wimbledon don't actually play in Wimbledon - the ground is in the London Borough of Merton - London's smallest Borough.

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