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Got to be a front 3 of Matias. FF Joao

Westwood Fred. Lees. JVA Hunt. Reach Joey. Hutch Bannan

Bob bolder Nielson Worthington Lyons Pickering Waddle Sheridan Palmer wilson Curran Warhurst subs westwood Sterland Nigel Pearson Hirst Lee chapman Viv Anderson imre Varadi

Was generally impressed with the team on sat vs Villa, but tonight....... Butterfield was v poor, Reach tried but was out of his depth, thought loovens was ok tbf as was Prudil and Hunt before his injury. Cant see how Palmer gets a game, injuries or not, but thought that Rhodes worked hard and did his best to create things with absolutely zero service. jones continues to improve in my book and had a good game. but the truth is that we lacked quality, our movement was laboured, our passing v poor and defensively we just stand off and allow them to cross or shoot. Consequently we shouldn’t really expect to win.

TBH, I’m pleased with tonight’s performance and result. Everyone battled,got stuck in and performed to the apparent gameplay. But.... defensively ,loovens was exposed and it cost him prudil is no where near good enough, ..... and he ducks!!!! Fox had a poor game by his standards palmef tried but he lacks quality and understanding. Needs to be moved on. Jones showed more pace and aggression and quality than in any of the games under Carlos. Walace.....deadwood,offers nothing otber than his own ego. Reach.... absolute great engine,could not have tried or worked harder. I just think that he is not the dirt of player who will move us forwards. Rhides.... worked his arse off for 60 mins, got zero service so should not be judhrd offensively, give him service then judge him. Joao, UTD were scared stiff of him, they stood off because they knew he could hurt them. Defo give him a runsnc service and let Rhodes have a go off him not meant to be s negative post. I was pleased with the effort and commitment tonigjt

I can only think that Carlos’ insistence at building up the opposition has sent the players into their shells. I don’t think that the players effort should be questioned, and they don’t miss a pass on purpose. They just seem to be directionless. The whole team is clearly playing to a strategy and that is what’s not working. Butterfield has been transformed from a dynamic attack minded midfielder into a clone of Jones. Bannan is way too deep and both Wallace and Reach are too inconsistent. We have the best attacking squad that I have ever known at Hillsborough, yet there was ZERO creativity in the bench at Ipswich. Mataias, Abdi, Joao all missing. And we have Wallace saying that we are a counter attacking team and do better away from home!!!! How can you counter attack with no pace and a persistence in taking 6 passes to get the ball forwards!! It’s totally baffling! Apart from the move for the equaliser Hooper was like the rest of the team, poor touch, passes going astray and ineffective. Fletcher does work hard and does draw attention, but he would do the same for Rhodes, who I think would be more prolific than Hooper. personally I don’t think that Fletcher is the answer as he misses far too many chances. Personally I’d love to see Hirst alongside Rhodes with Hooper just behind. That’s three proven goal scorers. Don’t tell me that Hirst is too young, give the lad a chance and see. If not Hirst, than Joao playing on the last defenders shoulder rather than too deep or in midfield..... his pace would leave so much space for both Rhodes and Hooper. Either way I for one would rather see us take teams on, have a proper go and try and out score them. I’d take losing if we’d been win focussed. I can’t stand this style of lifeless “let’s try and bore them into submission! I’d love to be proved wrong, would love Carlos to be successful..... but since seeing his motionless apathy on the touchline against Hull in the final it’s been as clear as day that he has no idea on how to change things that are not working! It doesn’t work..... so keep trying till it does!! Not sure that makes any sense at all!!

5 - 0 down away to Stevenage by half time!!! Yep bring Megson back!! utter joke!

Don't agree.... he dodged questions and just repeated the same old stance. His view that the past has gone and means nothing anymore is exactly the reason that we are performing like we are. If you don't learn from the past then you will continue to make the same mistakes in the future. His view that we have been excellent this season except for the PNE game is not a view that I share, we scrape results, even taking a forward off at home to defend a one goal advantage! we could quite conceivably win the reverse fixture at BL but it will inevitably be as a result of stifling the game and hanging on. United came to us, took the game to us and murdered us. Even after scoring 4 they continued to take the game to us. Personally that's what I want to see from my team. Win, lose or draw I want us to have a go, show passion and try and outscore our opponents. And I am totally fed up with hearing how bloody good our opponents are and how difficult a game it will be! We are SWFC, let others worry about us!!

Westwood Hunt Lees Van Aken Reach Jones Bannan Butterfield Abdi (In a Diamond) Rhodes Joao / Hirst / Fletcher / Hooper Wdsmith Hirst Hooper Wallace Boyd Mataias Prudil

Think that Fletcher and hooper are developing a good understanding together, both quite intelligent and both technically v good. Would love to be proved wrong but I think that perhaps they lack a little bit of something to unpick the tightest defences. Although both chip in with goals, they (Fletcher more so) seem to need 3 or 4 chances to take 1. Can't help but think that a confident Rhodes would be scoring more frequently if he was given the opportunities that Fletcher has had per game. Would love to see Joao and Rhodes have a few games together. I know that Joao has his detractors but I don't see that he is any more wasteful than Fletcher, yet he is decent technically and rarely gives the ball away, on top of which his pace is something else. Would imagine his pace stretching defences would create space for Rhodes to do the business. Don't think that it's a coincidence that FF scored most of his goals in his first season alongside Joao, and Hooper similarly when here on loan!! Cup vs Bolton..... Wildsmith Palmer. Venancio Prudil Fox Boyd. Jones. Wallace Hooper Rhodes. Joao

Just dreaming that Carlos rallies the start of the season with a statement of intent, that we will stop building up the opposition into something they are not, that we will focus on ourselves and our strengths, that we will take every game to the opporsition, that win lose of draw we will set out to our score our opponents and if we lose it won't be for want of trying: then he announces a team of; Westwood Hutch. Lees. Loovens Bannan. Jones Boyd. Abdi. Foresterrie Rhodes. Hitst. Hell, I'd even settle for Westwood Bannan Lees. Loovens Reach Jones Boyd. Abdi. Foresterrie Rhodes. Hirst a d I know that Matais is suspended, but it was a dream!!

I personally hope he is not here next season. 1. he has a squad full of attacking flare and then sets us up to be ultra defensive. Basically saying that he isn't confident that we can take on and beat our opponents. 2. He doesn't know his best team, continuously try's to shoehorn what he thinks are the best players and hopes that will eork, hence 3 x central midfielders playing again tonight. Managers are paid to make decisions, he needs to make them. 3. When things do not work, he lacks an alternative option, last yrs playoff final and the tonight's game being two c clear examples. 4. He signs a proven goal scorer then fails to play to his strengths. 5. Forwards lack service. Are starved of quality or consistent support and end up lacking confidence. In all honesty, could you imagine Jordan Rhodes decling to take a penalty at any of his other clubs?? 6. He fails to see the defensive naivety of Prudil and Hunt. We have enjoyed some good results this year, but we have not enjoyed more than a handful of good performances. He has not created a balanced team, we are predictable, we do not create chances and we are boring and disappointing to watch. We were boring under Gray, but for very good reason. I for one would rather see us miss out having taken the game to our opponents and trying to beat them, rather than sitting back and hoping to sneak a one nill....others might disagree, their prerogative, doesn't make me any less of a supporter just because my eyes are open rather than being blinded by some strange loyalty that prevents any form of criticism. thought Hinchcliff & partner on Sky spoke a great deal of sense post defeat. We have not progressed, we need to do much better and I fear that next season the division will be of far higher quality and so much harder to get out of

Rhodes has been instrumental in almost every goal we've scored over the past few weeks. I'm really pleased that Fletcher is scoring, think he's a genuine player, but can't help feeling that if Rhodes was provided with the sort and number of chances that Fletcher has had then games might have been put to bed a bit sooner. Rhodes with Hooper, and FF just behind them is very mouth watering prospect and would scare most defenders to hell! would love to see Wednesday playing this team; Westwood Sasso. Lees. Loovens Hutch, Bannan Mataias Abdi. Fortesteri Hooper. Rhodes Wallace Reach Jones Fletcher Lee Winnall Prudil Fox Semedo

Nuhu should be nowhere near the bench, this talk of him holding the ball up is rubbish, it either bounces off his shin and goes out of play or he gives away a needless free kick.

Bob Bolder

So..... in his absence Hooper has become the saviour! people forget that he was totally anonymous from the time he signed his contract, upto and including the playoffs and throughout this season upto his injury.

Hooper seems to get better with every game he DOESNT play!!! lazy and moody, no movement and makes the midfield players task impossible as he offers no options. Hooper and FF had lots of games / minutes together at the end of last season and also this and we're a totally ineffective partnership. to call Rhodes and Winnall an average / mid table championship strikefotce is a joke. Those two, with service, would score goals. i repeat my earlier post; Westwood, sasso, Lees, loovens, Hutch, Jones Macca, Abdi, FF, Winnall, Rhodes. i for one would love to watch this team!

Abdi and Hutch our best players without a doubt, so he takes Abdi off! Bannan does nothing but complain to the referee. Best championship striker gets no service so he takes him off for Fletcher!! Who then tries hard but fails to win a single header or play any significant part in the game. Macca on the left and Wallace on the right, so both have to check to cross Reach and Hunt cannot retain possession. Hunt is without a doubt the worst fullback in the division Set pieces lacked quality We have got results this year but lack consistent quality. With the squad we have it's simply not good enough. 4 wins on the trot... but only one convincing performance in the 4, we ride our luck far too often. Rhodes needs a striker with him and service into both of them. Reach, Wallace, Fletcher, Hunt Bannan, need to be given time out of the team! Westwood, sasso, Lees, loovens, Hutch, Jones/Semedo Macca, Abdi, FF, Winnall, Rhodes. And I know,.....I'm not allowed to criticise because that means I'm not a true fan!!

Relatively new to this but not to watching Wednesday, being a 10 yr old kid that ran on the pitch when we won promotion from div 3 in 78. The passion and excitement of Charlton and Wilkinson, and then witnessed Imre Varradi getting substituted at Millwall for attacking! I've seen many managers come and go, been both excited and frustrated beyond belief. Like all of us I want us to win, preferably playing well. But again accept that we have no god given right to do so. Stuart Grays football was not exciting but it was v clear that he was overachieving with the resources he had. Carlos is a nice bloke and I DO NOT WANT TO SEE HIM GO..... BUT, when context is examined he has had the most resources and funding given than ANY manager I've supported. Yet his team is getting worse. Last night was not a one off, it was the culmination of persistently poor performances. At the start of the season our strikers were missing chances, now we are simply not creating any. Having been a fan of Reach initially, I can not believe how poor he has become of late, his and Hunts ball retention was absolutely diabolical, hunt and prudil are v v poor and as such perhaps the midfield is setup to protect them. Players do not deliberately play badly, but as a team we are not working so something has to change. Again I accept that we were missing quality players...Hutch, Lees, Lee, Hooper, Fletcher, but that's my point. They are quality players that Gray did not have access to, but we have still been v v poor with these players this year. So why does Carlos persist with the same old tactics and the same old players when he has other options? Carlos complains and blames poor results on having to play games in quick succession, but other teams with smaller squads have to do the same and seem to do better. I know that I will be criticised by the rose tinted glasses brigade for having the audacity to criticise Wednesday, but my opinion is as valid as there is is. The facts that need to be looked at are; that' Bristol city had lost eight consecutive games then we have to be content with a draw, Wigan are third bottom for a reason and we get a v lucky with a deflected own goal, we struggled against Rotherham and were battered by Burton. We were brilliant against Newcastle, but that performance was the exception, not last nights! We did exceptionally well last year but needed to kick on again this year. That means difficult decisions had to be made in order to improve. Swapping Bannan for Abdi would have been one such decision... Bannan would've been a superb replacement to freshen things up, but instead we have gone backwards from last year not forwards. our squad offers us umpteen formation options, but continuing to try what isn't working is not working just my oppinion

FF, lacks passion and that penalty was criminal. Reach lacks any real direction or purpose. Thought BB really tried hard, one of his better games this year, Prudil was tormented again throughout, simply isn't good enough. Walace was anonymous, MacM just wanted to fight. Fletcher was a disgrace and although frustrated with Hutch, I can understand his frustration. 1-1, penalty to us and them down to 10 men!! HTF did we lose? In my opinion, Newcastle was great, but that apart I think we have lacked any real focus or passion or consistent quality since last March. How many times have we been shocking till half time then turned it around?? I don't think that we have a Devine right to win, far from it, but If we took the game by the scruff of the neck and was beaten by the better team, then so be it, but this disappointment, week after week is squeezing it out of me.

Totally agree with the opening thread, particularly with reference to two players, Hutch in midfield and Joa upfront. Hitch is disciplined in terms of his positional sense and responsibilities, Joa is the goal scoring key for me, he might not be prolific, but he stretches defences, causes problems with his pace, but most importantly he created space for the other strikers.... no coincidence that both Forresteri and hooper (and Wednesday for that matter) enjoyed their best spells when paired with the big Portuguese lad, would be very exciting to see a holding midfield of Hutch, Jones and either Bannan or Lee with a forward 3 of Forresterie and Matais playing behind Joa!

Wednesday fans always go to extremes, but the truth as I see it is that we haven't played consistently well since the last 3rd of last season, the home playoff win vs Brighton was largely as a result of the horrendous injury list st the time... they destroyed us at their place and we were a non entity in the playoff final. Again, as I see it, FF scored his goals as did Hooper, when they partnered Joa. His pace stretched and troubled defences, leaving space for his partner and also provided targets for the midfield to pass to. our current strikers do not work spaces well enough and make it harder for the midfield. We also miss Hutch or a harder general type in midfield, and we haven't got a full back in the club! BB & RW got carried away with the praise of last yr and have both been poor this.... Bannan could be a v decent full back, but to progress on last season we need to improve, that means repeating what works and improving what doesn't!