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The point deduction is against the team that play for the club not the owner of the club. If the EFL punished club owners financially every time the owner messes up then fair enough, but when our bad owner is out of the club and on his next sunny holiday, he will not care a flip of a coin about all the points deductions that the team have been given, but we will, the players will, and all the trainers coaches and staff will, just not him. It is his fault that the club/team have been docked points, no-one other than our bad owner, is ever going to argue about that, but there is a difference between punishing the one person responsible and punishing the fans, players, staff etc. I think the EFL really should think long and hard about what they do to us and what they do to him, because quite honestly their limp approach has made me feel sick after all the communications they have had from fans over the years regarding Chansiri and his "unusual business mistakes". The FA have lived up to their name and done exactly FA, FIFA do not want to know and that is why some of us fans have campaigned for an independant football regulator for years. Football is a mega -million pound industry with huge sums of money exchanging hands for wages and transfers that are undisclosed, hidden etc and that is only allowed to carry on because so many people have their hands in the pot. There is no such thing as a loophole, rules can be written in legal terms that prevent people from interpreting them any way that they like and punishments can be dished out much faster when every club agrees to abide by those rules. The fact that teams like Man City are allowed to get away with breaking so many rules is not about football it is all about money. The game should be ruled to the letters it is written in , not the ammended interpretations of expensive lawyers and any attempts made to bend a rule or misinterpret a rule should also be punished heavily. If a club is innocent they should have no need of expensive lawyers, which is another thing that njeeds stopping. Every club should be allowed the same level of representation and expensive lawyers and practises are only needed to put off, withhold or sidestep penalties that are deserved. Attempts to put off, withhold or sidestep penalties should see the penalty doubled and enforced or made payable immediately. All monies raised should be distributed fairly throughout all the other clubs that are affected by the rulebreaking. The IFR must have powers that enable them to stop the rot and punish those teams that try to buy their way out of any situation that they find themselves in through their own wrong doings. The EFL can then carry on representing the owners of clubs, rather than the clubs themselves, which as we have all discussed often enough, is the fans of the clubs, because they are the only things at a club that are ever present. Players, staff, chairmen, owners etc come and go, names might change, grounds might change and the geography of the club might change, but the fans are the club and, as long as we keep pressure on the government of the day, the clubs and fans have a proper representative to police the game and give it some much needed respect again. Right now the game is a dirty sport and it should not be seen that way.

Well done Wednesday! What a fantastic performance. We did not deserve to lost that game, but we were just missing that little bit of extra quality when we really needed it. The player should not have been let through at the end and it led to Horvarth getting sent off. Never mind. It looks as though the EFL will send us down with points deductions anyway, but the players should be proud of that performance. UTO!

The way I understand it, once notice is served it is not up to him, unless he pays up the money he owes the HMRC. He will get one last chance to cough up then that's it.

Yes, administration will definitely hurt him badly if it comes to it. Thais are big on face and keeping up appearances, so losing that would hurt more than anything. Whether he still has respect in Thailand is another thing, he certainly has none here in England. Quite a few oriental countries have a respect culture, much like we used to in this country and rich, powerful and old people are still shown respect there unless they do something bad enough to lose it, but face is something they definitely do not like to lose. Unless he is a totally different person in Thailand to over here, I suspect that there are few over there that respect him already. Bye bye bad owner

You got my attention with the whisky, but not sure about the rest of it. I am guessing that if not already done, our bad owner will be calling whoever offered him the most up to now, because whatever it was, it will be more than he can get any other way. He can try to play games with them over the ground, but he does not hold a very strong hand. Hopefully whoever buys will my have the clubs best interests at heart and pop some money aside to tide us over.

Yes Chalobah is another overpaid player who does little to justify his high wages. Like several of the others we have had, they get paid by us for what they have done for others, way past the time they could muster a run of games that could get close to justifying those wages. If the £20k is true it would probably be better spent paying four good young players £5k each, but we are past that possibility for now and unless something amazingly lucky comes our way, for the near future too. From the latest HMRC news, it sounds like they arent going to wait months on end for the Regulator to get up to speed! Lets hope we let the right one in next time.

Good and I hope you are right, but they were in a very small minority weren't they. It would nice to think that lessons have been learned, but having said that we have had a bit of history of paying our home grown players less, like Dawson and Johnson was one of those signings that Darren Moore had a lot to do with. The vast majority of players brought in by our bad owner and his trusted advisor were overpaid, underperformed and went for very little, or nothing at all. It would be nice to see a new list of all the players that have come in since our bad owner took over, how much they cost, were sold for etc. Regarding our junior players wages, I found it quite disturbing when there was a thread on here called "Why are Barnsley doing better than us", or something like that and I found a few sites that had worked out roughly what players wages were (allegedly within 5% or 10% accuracy from memory), based on comings and goings, manager, agent, or player comments, club accounts etc and Sheffield Wednesday were shown to be paying players like Dawson, Wildsmith, Dele Bashiru etc, way lower wages than most of the young Barnsley team at the time. We also had far more older players (who were generally underperforming when they were fit to play) and paid these older players wages that were two or three times or more than the wages for the better performing (generally) young Barnsley players, who also were available to play more games. These figures alone backed up everything that was wrong with our wage and recruitment policy, yet it continued. Maybe this more than anything else explains the reasons for the departures of managers that openly said that they wanted more young fit players, like Carlos Carvalhal, Luhukay, Monk, Pulis, Darren Moore and Danny Röhl? As a club we have been more ready to pay high end wages to older unfit players and more reluctant to pay average to high wages for fitter younger players. These are two policies that eat up your money giving little to no return. We need to get back to spotting talent, getting the players ready to play in the first team and if we have to, moving them on for a profit and replacing them with new talent if they become so good that we cannot afford to keep them. As a club we need a big influx of money to get back to where we were when we dropped out of the premiership 25 years ago, never mind taking a step up in the quality of our ground and facilities for training, fans etc. There is no point in spending all that money though, unless there is a long term and at least semi-sustainable plan in place. I am not convinced by John Texor's multi-club player sharing philosophy where clubs give each other a hand up and hopefully that kind of dodgy dealing will be cut out altogether sometime soon. I would like to see the IFR, EFL, FA and FIFA etc get together and prevent multi-club ownership altogether in the UK. We have already had teams like Watford cheating through it and it should be banned altogether. It is unhealthy for the game and changes club football into a game of monopoly, where certain clubs can afford to do things that other clubs cannot do by getting financial favours, which causes even more imbalance in a game which is way too top heavy financially already. All my opinion of course, but I think most of the points are valid.

Most definitely. We have overpaid players on and off for years, going back to the Tri-Star engineering days when Dave Richards believed that paying higher wages would guarantee our place at the top of the premiership tree... a year or two before we got relegated. More recently high earning players like Forestieri, Rhodes, Steven Fletcher and Morgan Fox left Hillsborough when the money was running low and went to find the next big spenders, but we still managed to bring in players like you say, that have not managed to find another club willing to pay Championship wages. Unfortunately our club has done some very poor business over the years and Chansiri has forked out high wages and transfer fees for loads of players that nobody else wanted. I've been questioning this for years now, because it makes you wonder why doesn't it? Things were only ever going to go in one direction once the money flow started to slow down. Chansiri may not have even imagined a long-term business plan for the club, but a lot of us fans did and we are getting towards the end game for the fool and his money now. Goodbye dishonourable bad owner and good riddance!

Oh Mr Furious George, I am sorry sir, I should not have doubted you, but I felt I had to Google it. Salvador's payment terms certainly explain his expanding figure, which of course led to his career advertising, Go Compare, which we all know him for today. Thanks again FG for that an amazing fact! According to Wiki, the first marketing slogan was apparently, "It's round and long-lasting", again which we all know him for .

Had most of the shirts around the time, but not that one. Looks like it would get very dirty very quickly on me. When I wear light colours I become a muck magnet.

We will wait for our season tickets until he's gone. It will cost more but we're saving all the money we would have paid for food, drink, shirts, other SWFC merchandise (unless from DHGate) Ifollow, cup tickets etc, so the tickets will cost us less in the long run. Try it. Work out how much you would spend with SWFC normally throughout the season and bung it somewhere safe until he's gone.

Is that a "My little pony"?

So he says that they, the regulators, will intervene. The only problem is that they will only be able to act, once they get their act together and David Kogan only referred to the time it would take to do that as, "over the course of the next period". I have googled that phrase and unfortunately it means that action may only be started at some u defined time in the future. The interviewer did ask for any kind of clarification on the timescale, minutes/hours/days/months/years/decades... etc, but you have to hope that the weight of opposition to the bad owner/bad employer is getting towards the critical mass stage, where the balance snaps and Chansiri falls off and runs home crying. He has become figure of hate and loathing which is no good for anybody.

I saw Milan's name and thought he must be launching a new bid. How very sad. He always conducted himself with class when in the public eye and representing the club. I am sure he will be very sadly missed by a lot of people. Rest in peace Milan and thank you for looking after our club X

You must have given Windass loads of stick then?

The ref and linesman decided to give them their third goal though, for a goal that was so obviously offside it was almost laughable. Was it shown on the big screen? I'm guessing not otherwise the second pitch invasion might have been more impressive. It did not change the result, but another goal to the negative is another nail in our coffin and more people seem to be lining up to nail us as a football team than to nail our owner, for the various unpaid bills and wages. Come on you Herbert's, do us all a favour and call his debts in, file winding up orders and get the rat out of our club.

Trolling mate. Just been through his posts. Don't waste your time. I have a season ticket, bought in good faith, as always, to support our struggling team, as per the last 20 plus years and feeling a bit under the weather today, I just could not bring myself to go. I ehalf expected the game to get called off, but knew that if it wasnt, I could have either gone on the pitch and got myself banned, or lost my temper with those fans that shout and scream at fans that are trying to do something, however ineffective it might be. Plus, despite the great performance for the draw last week, I did not expect to see the players put on a performance anything like they did last week. They have played under par every other time they have not been paid and I cannot blame them for that, but quite honestly I would like to see all of Chansiri's unpaid workers down tools and go on strike. No-one manning the desks, doors kiosks, suites, kitchens etc and no players turning up to play. I want to go out every game and support my team like I normally do, but quite honestly the football really is just a side show right now and our bad owner and his bent sidekick just need to be shut down.

To put some kind of numbers on it, in the two seasons in a row, where Reach played a more defensive role he completed an average of 1.6 & 1.7 tackles per game. This season we have acknowledged high tacklers like Inglesson, Bannan and Amass on 1.8, defenders like Max Lowe on 1.6, Valery on 1.3, Weaver & Cadamarterie on just 1! I have not heard anybody describing any of this lot as nesh! In two seasons in a row where Reach had a more attacking role, he made 15 goal contributions, 8 goals and 7 assists one season and 4 goals and 11 assists in the other. So the Reach knockers are still just plain wrong. Whatever reasons they have for knocking him, football wise they are still looking silly. As an old attacking player he still has a higher tackling rate in a physical league, at Lincoln, than our much fancied young centre half.

Let's say 500 people invade the pitch today and most of them get banned etc, how many will invade the pitch next time and then the time after? We, as fans have no right to go onto the pitch at any time unless some emergency occurs that poses a direct risk to life, such as a fire, smoke bomb, Wards f@rt etc. Employees of the club that have not been paid what they should be paid, when they should be paid in 5 months out of 7 do have the right to strike though and in my opinion, that would have a bigger effect because the staff and players have workers rights and their action would be taken against the club, not against the English football league etc.

Orchestral manoevres in the dark teaser! Are you a fellow SPATA member? (Sensible People Against Tw@tty Acronyms).

I remember quoting the actual stats about the number of tackles that Reach made in four or five games on the trot during which he actually made more than the average number of tackles that our players made, which upset a few, who then, pathetically tried to compare him with Sam Hutchinson! Adam Reach was a clever left winger who was always challenging Bannan for the number of assists and goals scored, all of which were crackers, at a time when Bannan still took every free kick and corner! He did not go in for late tackles or crunching tackles that would have got him booked, crippled or sent off, which would put him in that group with 95% of football players, apart from the fact that he could do everything else, which not so many can.

The 2 to 3 minutes added to the 8 minutes extra time was what I struggled to understand. The whistle should have gone just before the ball went out of play It was over 8 minutes then. I have nothing but pride and admiration for the lads though. They deserved to be at least level first half and the commitment put in by the lads should bring further shame on our bad owner. Unpaid again. Gary Monk had us at the top of the division when the players missed their first pay day and the drop in morale and effort was tangible as we slid down the table. Each time since, the players and staff have suffered. He must be stopped now. Enough is enough and no a.ou t of point deductions or embargoes are going to change anything. This is one bad owner doing bad things. He should be locked up never mind booted out of the club, he is a disgrace. UTO!

The best left winger we've had for some years. Some foolishly tried to compare him to Sam Hutchinson, which I always thought was a bit strange. If we wanted a hot headed rough tackling often injured defender, then Adam Reach was not your man. If you wanted a left winger who could pick out a player making a run into the box, score a few goals, take free kicks and also do a decent job in several other positions on the pitch, then Reach was definitely your man. Its such a shame that our bad owner had spent all our money when Reach was here. If the rest of the team had been anything like as good as Reach, we would have breezed promotion instead of struggling to survive.

Horvath - 7 Palmer - 7 Iorfa - 7.5 Weaver - 7 M. Lowe - 7.5 Amass - 6.5 Bannan - 8 Ingelsson - 7 Valery - 7 Brown - 7 Cadamarteri - 6 Ugbo - 6 Lowe - 6 Otegbayo - 6 Pedersen has found a well balanced first team line-up, with a good mixture of youth and experience. We only look a bit flimsy now when players are tiring. UTO! Chansiri out!

Exactly that. It would make a far bigger statement if away team's fans protested about Chansiri without any away fans present. Only hypoctites will deny fans going to home games while away fans are lauded for their away support after buying tickets that put money into Chansiri's pockets!