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Kris Wigfield 'We're optimistic because we've seen the level of bids coming in. These are going to mean we can fulfil our duties to hit 25 pence to the pound .' So if bidders lost out because they did not offer this level of bid, then some of them may squeal and prove they were not the right parties for us. If they want the club they had the choice to bid higher. Also note the plural... BIDS. Let the process play out - don't understand the concerns to be honest.

If our new owner had deep pockets and we were able to pay fees, if we are talking about buying young promising players with possible sell on value then we should at least be having a word with ManU about Amass. He will cost a lot, but he's the type of player who is only going to get better and can likely be sold for a lot more than we pay for him - and we can guarantee him first team football which he might not get so much at ManU.

How many other clubs in the 92 would get a 22,000 crowd on a cold November day, marooned at the bottom of the league on minus points and condemned to relegation, after 30 years of atrocious leadership and season after season of poor finishing positions hopping between the Championship and League 1? I doubt there would be many more than 8 in the entire leagues.

The penalty would not have mattered if the defenders had the ability to defend.

The penalty would not have mattered if the defenders had done their job. Abysmal defending for all 3 goals.

We keep having to climb mountains due to always conceding far too many goals. A top priority to help change results and get more bums on seats has to be a couple of defenders. We've never replaced Loovens and we need a couple with his qualities.

Why does it seem that almost every goal conceded is, according to numerous posters, a mistake by the keeper? We've done it to every goalkeeper who wears the shirt and hounded a number of them out of the club, some of them young and learning their trade. I think they are judged harshly and subjectively, like he was too slow going down, or should have come for this or for that etc. It's like a ball a keeper saves from 6 yards out and saying he should have pushed it wide - they are not robots - and guess what, every team concedes goals every season. I get it if they palm it into their net or run out of the goal and get stranded, or do a hospital pass or drop the ball on to an attackers toes, or let it slip through their grasp - but the game is so quick and as fans we can't see who is blocking their view or even the curve or movement of the ball in the air. As for Hovath he's made some fantastic saves to prevent goals and conceding is not that easy to stop with the way we defend.

Interesting video, glad I watched it. I hope the new owner doesn't want to sit in the past and get left behind by an increasing number of clubs who are doing the kind of things that Zaragoza plan to do.

Horvath: 7.5 Iorfa: 6 Cooper: 7 M. Lowe: 6 Fusire: 5 Amass: 7 Valery: 6 Bannan: 8 McNeill: 7 Ingelsson: 6 Cadamarteri: 5 J. Lowe: 5 Palmer: 5 Thornton: 5 Johnson: 5 Miles (ref): 6

westy - you sum it up perfectly. I know change is difficult for many and I know that history is cherished. But it will hold us back while other clubs leave us in their trail. If you take the total revenues of Premier League clubs at £6.9 billion, £1 billion was ticket sales, and £3.5 billion was broadcast fees, leaving £2.4 billion for commercial revenue. So that commercial revenue represents more than a third of overall revenue and an average of £120m per club (that alone is about 5 times our total revenues). SWFC commercial revenue was £8m, obviously affected by not being in the Premier League, but also impacted by our poor facilities, location, car parking availability and other space restrictions. Assuming our new owners are ambitious and have deep pockets, we are at a crossroads as fans as to whether we want to catch up those clubs who were similar to us in the 70's to 90's (Chelsea, Man C, West Ham, Newcastle) or boo when we can't compete with them or lesser teams while they can afford better squads and keep turning us over. I would argue a new stadium is essential if we have any ambition, AND we can ensure that an architect can combine our rich history with fantastic facilities in any design.

I like that tactic - if you can put up with her at football, at least she's not hammering your credit card doing Christmas shopping

One million percent - the franchise mentality. I have no problem with American owners, they have some great commercial nouse, but they have to understand our football culture.

In an ironic way, this says to investors that when it is and has been dogger at home this whole calendar year, and even though those fans walk out early, despite the dross, those same fans turn up to the next game. So an investor will be imagining what could happen if they gave us all something to cheer.

I'd add to that they closed all of our players down continuously and disrupted anything we tried to do. They were breathing down our necks throughout the whole game - they did to us what I was hoping we would do to them. The disappointing thing is we changed nothing and had no answer.

You should join London Owls if you're not already a member - they do a great job and you can meet so many more fans!

They are professionals being paid (now) very well and they have worked very hard all season and put a real shift in. They didn't get it going yesterday in the match we all wanted them to, which is disappointing and frustrating. But if they are going to play league games like training sessions I doubt many teams will be interested in signing them, and so far they have been totally committed.

They closed us down brilliantly and disrupted everything we tried to do. They did to us, what I was hoping we would do to them and we never had an answer. I still think their defence is suspect when they play other teams who will be more on it than we were yesterday. I hope they don't make it, but stranger things have happened and I hope we weren't their launchpad.

But it would be to future generations of fans. I never saw Olive Grove and don't associate Wednesday with it, except on paper. But we moved from there so the club could progress. Now, we can easily be left behind as even clubs we always thought were smaller than us are looking at the future and either catching up or surpassing us. Our commercial revenues have been poor for years, not at all helped by restricted facilities - so those clubs will just keep adding revenue and plowing it into their squads while we sit in the dark ages and fall further behind.

If I were a bidder, I'd be very excited with the fact that we have been averaging around 27-30,000 crowds despite not having won a home game since April and only 2 home games in this calendar year. Add to that the series of poor seasons in the last 25 years .... and still we get fans turning up like this. So, if I could give them something to be excited about and forward momentum, with players whose names everyone would want on the back of their shirts, how many would turn up every other week if they had great facilities, seats with good legroom and plenty of opportunities to spend money at the ground? These crowds, over the last 25 years, have been exceptionally loyal and have tended to increase over that period. That's what excites a bidder.

Bang on the money. In the game we wanted to see it, we didn't get anything like it. I can take being beaten by a higher quality team, but it's hard to rationalize how we had so little fight and desire. Of the outfield players only Amass looked like it meant something.

I don''t buy this exhausted reasoning, so I did some research, looking at all Championship players who (out of 16 league games) made 14 appearances or more. The stats I found include any appearance, including as sub. This is the number of players per squad who made 14 appearances or more: Bristol City - 12 Swansea - 11 Coventry - 10 Wednesday - 10 Charlton - 9 Stoke - 9 Wrexham - 8 WBA - 8 Oxford - 8 Middlesbrough - 8 Birmingham - 8 Of course, this doesn't translate into energy expended, but is as good a guide as we are going to get. It is not clear cut to say we are 'knackered' because it's not as though our players are having to play much more than clubs making up half the league.

Horvath: 7 Palmer: 4 Iorfa: 4 M. Lowe: 4 Fusire: 4 Amass: 8 Valery: 5 Bannan: 5 Ingelsson: 5 J. Lowe: 5 Ugbo: 3 Cooper: 6 Cadamarteri: 5 McNeill: 5 Webb (ref): 4

HP didn't help himself today, but the players let him and the fans down badly. If we'd have fought for every ball and been up their backsides all the game and lost, then so be it. But we didn't and the manager has to accept some responsibility. This was the big test of the season so far, and we failed miserably.

To try to be objective, he or any of our strikers are getting virtually zero service, so you can't score if we aren't getting the ball in their box. However, this does not excuse a lack of effort closing players down - Shekki Kuqi wasn't brilliant but he chased down defenders across their back line and forced errors. Fans loved his workrate as you could see he was doing his best and putting a shift in. It's just not working for him and only he and the coach have any chance of working it out. If they can't then he has to be first on the list out of the door in January.

We've battled well and worked really hard all season. The players have deservedly been praised for it. But today, in the game we wanted it most, we didn't reach anywhere near the intensity that is needed or righly expected in a derby game. Today of all days. So the players need to rightly criticized for an abysmal performance. They let us down today.