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The question is, has everyone who wants a ticket got one or do people want a ticket but refuse to sit on the LLL for the obvious reasons? If it is the latter, the club could profit by offering ST holders the chance to swap. E.g. where there is a family/group of 2+ season ticket holders together with clear view seats in the other stands, let them offer their tickets up for a £10-20 voucher each and seats in the LLL if someone else buys their seats. If it encourages 100 people who wouldn't sit on the LLL to go, it is worth it. I suppose the problem is if it means 100 people who were going to go on the LLL anyway but switch to the other stands then the club would lose out.

It's years since I was there so I'm probably out of touch. When I was there every second person was a Liverpool or ManU fan from Kent or London who had never been to OT or Anfield. They wouls spend every evening in the pub watching whatever match was on. Really, how loyal are they? Could a few years of cheap live football convert them for life? I see the kids in ManC shirts these days in the same way.

Okay, £2 is maybe a bit cheap but if we're paying them to attend one match, is that so bad? I'm talking 1 match at the start of term when students will be faced with hundreds of options of activities. We would essentially be paying them for their data. The club gets their email address and can sell stuff to them afterwards. Come watch a match for virtually nothing and hopefully, half of you like it enough to buy a ST for the rest of the year.

Other than the 50 or so tickets at the bottom of the South, which will definitely go, I think this is a sell out of 'good' tickets whether or not every ticket still on sale goes. What's left? Singles, restricted view and under the pigs.

I've said on another thread, I think that there would be a market for a student ST which is based on the uni terms. E.g. about 15 games which doesn't include August/September/Christmas games. Get a stall at the Freshers' Fair (is that still a thing?). First game after Freshers - £2 ticket with a tram ride included. Then immediately after bombard everyone who attends with adverts for a ST. Maybe even with a tram ride included on that too. Same with schools. Next year, there will probably be 20 games where away fans can fit on the LLL. Offer Upper Lep to schools. Offer every school within a 30 mile radius of the ground a game or two with ridicously cheap tickets. Then again, bombard everyone immediately after to come to get a 'proper' ticket for the next match. Some groups should be seen as loss leaders to invest in the future. Kids and students being the obvious ones to me.

Update (exc. Singles & RV): North - 0 Kop - 0 Grandstand 0 South AA - 36 South KK - 17 South EE - 41 Lep - Lots Looks like a few more tickets have been released in KK and AA

Seat count excluding singles and restricted view: North - 0 Kop - 0 Grandstand - 3 South KK - 0 South EE - 103 Lep - Lots I assume that by the end of the day all normal areas will be out of multiple clear view seats.

Do you think that a student season ticket which is matched to the 2 unis' terms would get a few in? Aim it at people who aren't yet owls but love football. E.g. £150 for 15 games in the Kop. Don't include August/September games or those around Christmas. The number of games would vary each year based on the comparison between the fixture list and the uni calendars.

Brilliant although that instantly makes my count wrong.

Excluding singles and restricted: Grandstand - 22 Kop - 25 South - 211 Total - 258 (with 178 of those in KK).

Down to 19 blocks with only 6 which have areas of multiple non-restricted seats together.

I meant including a guess of the not on sale seats on Lep/elsewhere as well.

I'm easy as to whether to stay or go. If we did move, I'd be scared at the thought of a souless bowl. I love the quirkiness of Hillsborough. If we are staying, I'd do a general offer for all of Vere Road plus the Herries Road triangle. I'd start on the North. Knock down the shop. Put in a four storey building in which allows a third concourse. Remove all the current vendors and make them additional toilets. All concourses widened. Have lots more food/drink places in the building itself as separare rooms off the concourses. Top floor would have a row of exec boxes plus a proper TV studio and autism room. Rest of the building I'd have the shop and maybe a museum/archive. I'd also move some of the offices from the South to the North. I'd also put extra entrances/exits (possibly through the VereRoad houses (a la Luton). This could allow away fans into the North and have Owls behind both goals. I'd also do some passive provision for a second tier on the North in the future. Next I'd move to the South. Not much would need doing - basically fill in the gap created by the moved offices. More facilities. Onto the Kop - a South stand style bridge over the top so the pillars could get removed. I'd go past where it is currently needed to allow a new corner stand to be built when needed. Then build upwards over the perimeter to create a huge indoor space to allow more space for facilities. I'd keep the hill - to me, that's what makes it a Kop. I don't think I'd do the Lepp until the other three are sorted. I'd knock down and start again. This would be a home stand though. In the Herries Road triangle, a huge fan park and a hotel. If I were the new owners, I would want fans to think that it was perfectly plausible to be in Hillsborough from 12 to 8 for a 3 o'clock kick off which is obviously not happening at the minute.

There are currently 21 blocks for sale. However, 13 of those blocks only have single tickets or restricted view. Even within the other 8 there are 2 blocks with a total of 9 seats which are non-single, non-restricted views (2 in Family stand and a 5 and 2 at the bottom of the Kop). How many unsold tickets in total do you think that could exist, 2,000?

If you don't accept bs - I'd say we were the 3rd oldest professional British club. (Forest & Notts County) If you're happy with bs I'd say we are the oldest with 1820. Could also make the distinction of club v team. Wrexham, Palace, Chesterfield and Stoke are all nonsense.

The Trust should put a message out that they'll talk to the new owners to see if they'll have a period with STs at a cheaper price than the early bird tickets. Even if is just by a £1. It might make some people consider holding off. Alternatively, they could suggest a ST and shirt deal which comes with, say, 50 bonus points so people who are putting more money into the new ownership get something back. Either way, anything to make people think twice would be useful.

Playoffs.. easy!

Have we ever won one and does anyone know what the overall record is in them? We have been beaten by Huddersfield, Bradford, Rotherham and Wolves at least. Why are we so bad at them and is there anything that can be done about it?

I can't see how McCabe could ever recoup everything. But don't Scarborough holdings now own the hotel and the business centre? If the ground and any other bits of land followed they could charge a rent, sucking money out the club. Wouldn't get everything back but they would get some.

How strict are they financial fare play rules? If Milan decides he wants to buy a bottle of SWFC branded Hendersons from the club shop, paid with a briefcase full of banknotes and said 'keep the change' to the shop assistant, would that count towards our turnover? If it does there is no point in having the rules as rich owners will always be able to get around them.

Not mathematically guarenteed until today though. Like I said, hopefully it's irrelevant and second or better will be ours.

Hopefully we will remain in second place until the end of the season. If not however, that result has put Wednesday 17 points ahead of 7th place Notts County with five games to go. The play-offs have been guarenteed. Fingers crossed for Bournemouth this afternoon and hopefully 2nd will be held.

The eternal pessimist in me had to look what is the worst we could finish. I came up with 19th. Although a win today would take that up to about 12th I think. Not doing it again but I do think we will be promoted in second.

Everything behind the gangway on the kop should be standing as well as tangos corner. Would never be allowed at Hillsborough for obvious reasons. However, I don't see why it should make a blind bit of difference.

From the arguments on here there are a few issues which I can see. 1. Any scheme needs to be stop a closed shop happening - so any 3 or 5 year systems are wrong because they would stagnate the system and it would be impossible for a new fan to ever become a regular away attender. 2. ST holders should always have priority. 3. There are people who are always going to miss out on the popular games. IMO - have a points system. ST - 250 points Non ST home league games - 10 points Away games 10-30 points per game depending on the distance, weekend/midweek and the size of the match. Those who said what about London owls - I would say they on average have far greater distances to go to home matches, so swings and roundabouts. Membership - 30 points Spend £50 in the shop 5 points. Pay on the gate tickets could be handed in at the shop to have points added later. Keep a first come serve for all games except the ones which are likely to be the most popular. The club should announce at the start of the season which matches are the ones which are going to be used. So for instance this season the club could announce Pigs, chezzie and Play off semi (if relevant) as definates and Hudders and last two away matches of regular season as maybes. This system solves all the problems. Its not too complicated, it allows those who travel most to have the pick of the best matches and it doesn't create a closed shop. For cup games I would say other than ST the league doesn't matter except for STs. Each cup is seperate. If the first round is away have it on the current system. For each subseqent round have it as ST + all earlier tickets then those ST without tickets