The 'soulless bowl' new ground debate

Soulless bowl = Modern stadium with better facilities.

32 minutes ago, Tommy Crawshaw said:

How is our Kop better than any stand at Stoke's ground?

 

The Kop is terrible. Poor views with massive poles in the way. Shocking facilities, no concourses.

 

Every stand at Stoke has a good unobstructed view of the pitch and concourses with good facilities. 

Better in terms of how it would retain some tradition, to combine with the modern curve that I'm suggesting. 

It's the difference between adding a high-quality modern extension to a beautiful old house with loads of character, which can work really well when the two are clearly different, and adding a badly executed extension to a meh 60s house that is functional enough but has nothing interesting about it and trying-but-failing to make them match. 
 

3 hours ago, patolookalike said:

 

Is it? Genuinely interested. Don't think I've seen many posts on here about parking or m1?

 

I've never driven to a match day though, maybe if I did I'd feel differently and want it to be on a massive car park just off the motorway 

I've seen posts mention parking and M1. I never said it's wrong to want that. 

For me though I wouldn't think it was worth it to lose a big part of our history as a club.

Maybe I'm just a 'traditional' fan, I don't know. New bowl grounds don't impress me at all.

22 minutes ago, Beighton Owl 87 said:

Soulless bowl = Modern stadium with better facilities.

Some would argue that doesn't over-ride the soul-less aspect of them.

4 hours ago, McRightSide said:

‘Soulless bowl’ is a really annoying cliche

It works though as a short description.

I always felt the people who made this kind of argument pointed to the likes of West Hams move, which in fairness was more to do with the bad design of the stadium initially from a football perspective than anything, the initial distance from the pitch for the fans made it harder for them to be heard.  Premier league London Clubs in general have way too many football tourists and corporate sponsors to get things going in their "soulless bowls" and yet still manage. 

There is a lot of romantacising of history because people don't change, but if you offered me an experience you get at the likes of Wembley, Spurs new ground or any of the other decent custom built stadiums with our fanbase, I am pretty sure the atmosphere would be just fine.  

Fans make the atmosphere not the ground, if the soulless bowls lack atmosphere it is because the club lost touch with its fans and brought in too many Instagrammers, tourists and corporate types rather than making it accessible to their core fanbase.

Don't forget, that when you see a game on TV, large amounts of the crowd noise are piped in by the broadcaster.

I do think some imagination is needed and a recognition that Hillsborough has been upgraded before.

If the Kop, West Stand are poor by todays standards (which they are) then build new stands.

It's not impossible.

14 hours ago, El Wednesday said:

I'd love something like Marseille's Stade Velodrome.

 

 

Still retains 4 stands but with a modern bowl type approach, big fan of something like this 

1 hour ago, niallzi said:

A new location close to the M1 will be very ideal for us all that commute from within Sheffield on the tram and bus.

Don’t worry about the majority. They don’t count.

42 minutes ago, owll80 said:

Still retains 4 stands but with a modern bowl type approach, big fan of something like this 

That's exactly why I like it, too. 

Stay at Hillsborough but knock down north, kop and Lepp one at a time. Keep separate stands feeling around pitch for the old school feel but fill the corners in with exec boxes, hospitality boxes, food and drink counters for the masses making concourse bigger for health n safety and stick one big curved roof over the whole lot.

16 hours ago, The_Ghost_Of_91 said:

 

You'd hope it was for £1.2 billion.

Very true.

6 hours ago, McRightSide said:

‘Soulless bowl’ is a really annoying cliche

Agree

And really limits the conversation. 

The idea seems to be we can either stay where we are and that ensures we keep a soul.

Or we have to move away, sell our soul to allow modern and good facilities.

Very binary

Was at Murrayfield yesterday no bars or food on the concourses all those were at ground floor level around after you had entered the ground. Absolutely brilliant much more space, far less queues, much more choice of food. 67,000+ the attendance

1 hour ago, patolookalike said:

 

Agree

 

And really limits the conversation. 

You mean like calling Hillsborough 'dead' like someone did on hear recently.